I had the same problem and went to Toyota Service center to checkup the transmission but they said everything is ok, interesting thing is few days ago i got a recall mail from Toyota for the cvt issue and they fixed it. Now it is smoth all time mainly when drive slow in traffic. My car model is corolla axio 2007 and they mention some other models also have this issue.
2014 Corolla S CVT Problems
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I talked with a Toyota mechanic and started discussing cvt in corolla anything from durability, problems etc...
He mentioned that since late 2013 when 2014 corollas went on sale, he doesn't recall a single cvt failure or problem that was an actual problem. Mostly users not being used to cvt or not even realizing their car had one and when it behaved differently from traditional auto under various conditions such as going up/down hill they panicked and brought the car in.
He mentioned that since late 2013 when 2014 corollas went on sale, he doesn't recall a single cvt failure or problem that was an actual problem. Mostly users not being used to cvt or not even realizing their car had one and when it behaved differently from traditional auto under various conditions such as going up/down hill they panicked and brought the car in.
I am so glad I leased my corolla on the advice of two tranny guys. I had two tranny guys say stay away from a CVT when the warranty is up, so I lease instead of bought my corolla. Now I am counting the days until I can get rid of it and get a Mazda 3. I think Toyota is where General Motors was before their slide (just living off their name)
Good luck cause you'll need it. And you can barely get a midget to fit in the back of Mazda 3. My cuz had one and sold
It after a year complaining about stupid annoying problems he had with it all the time. Better lease it cause you'll change your mind fast. Toyota is on the very top of most reliable cars now and always has been. AH, ask anyone who has a new Mazda if they like their A/C which is weak as hell and most likely is going to crap out before your warranty or lease is up.
It after a year complaining about stupid annoying problems he had with it all the time. Better lease it cause you'll change your mind fast. Toyota is on the very top of most reliable cars now and always has been. AH, ask anyone who has a new Mazda if they like their A/C which is weak as hell and most likely is going to crap out before your warranty or lease is up.
Thank you Klebinek for your cousin's input. I've owned two Mazdas and enjoyed them both I had an Mx6 and a 323. I also had a Datsun 510, which was my first new car in my senior year of college, and a Nissan sentra as well as a Stanza, also good cars. I hope you are right about the Toyota CVT so that the next owner doesn't any major problems. I know Nissan had Major issues with theirs and at one time even offered a 10 year 120,000 mile warranty on the CVT. The corolla CVT hasn't been around that long and since most people drive less than 12k a year it really hasn't been tested for the long term. I wondered why the Camry for 2018 is a new car and they haven't gone with a CVT ? Time will tell. I know that I went with a corolla due to lack of faith in the Nissan transmission. Of course like everything else how you drive it is of major importance. Thanks again for your imput and have a nice day
Dude, Honda uses aisin for cvt manufacturer which is a Japanese company that same cvt has been in use on 10th gen corolla in Asia for past 7 years without issues and reports of hundreds of thousands of miles. Nissan used some other company and although they fudged up initially they've improved drastically but their cvt doesn't compare to Aisin used in Toyota. Did you see the numbers of how many 11th gen corollas sold in us alone? Do you think toyota would compromise their best selling car and best selling car in the world? It's like shooting yourselve in the foot, no way. I was against cvt myself but I've grown up and enjoy a relaxed smooth stress free 60mile daily commute without having to worry about my cars reliability and effortless smooth ride. That cvt is really great and as long as you drive normal there is no complaints. Sure it's not exactly fast off the line but my style of driving changed. I've owned a 2000 4Runner limited 4x4 I paid 40 grand for from brand new that I've traded in with 250k miles for Corolla and don't regret it. Never paying that much for a car again it's just plain stupid no matter how much money u got. I think new corolla is best bang for the buck hands down.
Little bit About cvt fluid change and maintenance.
If Toyota says "the life of the vehicle" you have every reason to believe them. they have stood by their reliability claims for decades. Look around and see the proof.
CVTs do heat up, any moving mechanical object will produce friction and therefore heat. CVTs actually stay much cooler than traditional transmissions however, and the fluid does not wear even remotely as much as in a traditional transmission due to the fact that there are such limited moving parts inside. There are two pulleys and a steel belt. Theres no gears mashing and bearings spinning to produce metal shavings or fluid wear down like you are thinking it does.
No information is better than a bunch of reports of failure. You're talking about a 2 year old car, that means if you can't find reports of issues, theres hundreds of thousands of corollas out there with anywhere from 0 to 200k or more miles and nobody has reported a CVT problem that you've found. No news is good news as they say.
Aaaand back the same point - NissanCVT is absolute garbage, please dont compare it to the Corolla CVT that has been heavily tested and used in other Toyotas overseas for several years prior to being Brought to the US market as a refined and reliable transmission option. (Of preference, I might add!)
And educated decision would be to follow the recommendations - follow your manual's recommended intervals and dont be paranoid!
If Toyota says "the life of the vehicle" you have every reason to believe them. they have stood by their reliability claims for decades. Look around and see the proof.
CVTs do heat up, any moving mechanical object will produce friction and therefore heat. CVTs actually stay much cooler than traditional transmissions however, and the fluid does not wear even remotely as much as in a traditional transmission due to the fact that there are such limited moving parts inside. There are two pulleys and a steel belt. Theres no gears mashing and bearings spinning to produce metal shavings or fluid wear down like you are thinking it does.
No information is better than a bunch of reports of failure. You're talking about a 2 year old car, that means if you can't find reports of issues, theres hundreds of thousands of corollas out there with anywhere from 0 to 200k or more miles and nobody has reported a CVT problem that you've found. No news is good news as they say.
Aaaand back the same point - NissanCVT is absolute garbage, please dont compare it to the Corolla CVT that has been heavily tested and used in other Toyotas overseas for several years prior to being Brought to the US market as a refined and reliable transmission option. (Of preference, I might add!)
And educated decision would be to follow the recommendations - follow your manual's recommended intervals and dont be paranoid!
It's been said many times : a lot of the bad reputation of the CVT comes from bad first execution from different manufacturers.
Once those problems were solved, those specific units remain at risk as CVTs are simple yet precise devives (hence extended warranties) :
Nissan (Jatco) - Bad temperature control firmware leading to fluid foaming
GM-Saturn (Fiat) - Poor metal quality of components leading to fluid contamination by metal scraps
Honda (Honda) - Unproper fluid used in the first place (!!!)
Ford (Ford) - Bad seals leading to fluid pressure loss
Audi (Schaeffler) – Different situation : design flaw in the first place (6 discs clutch had to be replace with 7 discs)
The K313 CVTi-S in the Corolla never reported such problems plus it was far from first CVT from Toyota (Aisin).
It's almost like saying "stay away from cars as GM. Ford, Audi and even Tesla had some of their cars catching fire".
And yes, you can get a Camry with a CVT : the hybrid (not belt and pulleys but planetary though).
GM sliding was due to crappy R&D because of money needed for acquisitions to remain number one. VW, on that regard, is more like old GM than Toyota.
For instance, I once had a Saturn which was a great car for 10 years. The next gen : garbage after 10 months, literally. Very good service but who want to visit the friendly dealer every month ?
So I went Corolla. Almost 4 years absolutely trouble free now. I did consider a Mazda3. Great and funnier car. But cramped and noisy VS Corolla, not to mention a +/- 2K more for equivalent equipment.
Plus around here (Canada) Mazda solved their rust and locks problems apparently only to now have battery issues.
Once those problems were solved, those specific units remain at risk as CVTs are simple yet precise devives (hence extended warranties) :
Nissan (Jatco) - Bad temperature control firmware leading to fluid foaming
GM-Saturn (Fiat) - Poor metal quality of components leading to fluid contamination by metal scraps
Honda (Honda) - Unproper fluid used in the first place (!!!)
Ford (Ford) - Bad seals leading to fluid pressure loss
Audi (Schaeffler) – Different situation : design flaw in the first place (6 discs clutch had to be replace with 7 discs)
The K313 CVTi-S in the Corolla never reported such problems plus it was far from first CVT from Toyota (Aisin).
It's almost like saying "stay away from cars as GM. Ford, Audi and even Tesla had some of their cars catching fire".
And yes, you can get a Camry with a CVT : the hybrid (not belt and pulleys but planetary though).
GM sliding was due to crappy R&D because of money needed for acquisitions to remain number one. VW, on that regard, is more like old GM than Toyota.
For instance, I once had a Saturn which was a great car for 10 years. The next gen : garbage after 10 months, literally. Very good service but who want to visit the friendly dealer every month ?
So I went Corolla. Almost 4 years absolutely trouble free now. I did consider a Mazda3. Great and funnier car. But cramped and noisy VS Corolla, not to mention a +/- 2K more for equivalent equipment.
Plus around here (Canada) Mazda solved their rust and locks problems apparently only to now have battery issues.
Well, you never know about some odd unit. No mechanical device, especially sold by the millions, is immune about that, Toyota or not !
People who are afraid of CVTs rely on such anecdotal cases, or generalize a conclusion from some manufacturers mistakes (see post 61).
Other assume that a transmission is not normal if it operates without constant up/down in RPM (the reason behind fake - but useless - shift points in our Toyota Aisin units).
The same could be told about DCT or newer 8-9-10 speeds.
People who are afraid of CVTs rely on such anecdotal cases, or generalize a conclusion from some manufacturers mistakes (see post 61).
Other assume that a transmission is not normal if it operates without constant up/down in RPM (the reason behind fake - but useless - shift points in our Toyota Aisin units).
The same could be told about DCT or newer 8-9-10 speeds.
I really don't think that any manufacture makes their failure rate public knowledge. I talked to two people who do this for a living and respect their expertise and opinion. I am a Nissan fan, but kept away from a new one because of the many postings I've read. I know that Toyota is a slightly better car, but with so many of OEM parts being outsourced all brands are getting to be very similar in quality, hence the concern. Most of the troubles happened under warranty so who really complains. I'm concerned with the end of warranty (like the time I blew an engine in my Chrysler LeBaron 152.6 miles after the warranty expired). That was a big out of pocket. If manufactures were so confident why don't they give a 10/100000 warranty. That says something right there. Look what it did for Hyundai and Kia. I asked that question of a Nissan Dealer and he told me that Nissan put a 10/120000 just on the CVT, but they had gotten so reliable that they saw no need to continue it. I asked, too much paperwork, or too much expense to replace the tranny at let's say 90k? I got silence.
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Agree, but there are multiple clues like the professionals and forums you mention, Consumer Reports and True Delta. Granted they aren't perfect as they rely only on people reporting repairs but you could see surges in transmission repairs when Nissan and some others introduces a new CVT. Then back to normal (always be careful about first year production !). Another big clue is when it ends up at the NHTSA. Toyota seems OK... so far !
Mandatory statistics would be nice but then again, when manufacturers try to hide something, it comes back to bite them (GM's ignition switches, Toyota's sudden acceleration).
Sadly yes but there are still such things as engineering and quality control. For instance, Toyota-Aisin supply CVTs for Toyota and Subaru, but they sure aren't the same. Bosch didn't push cheating firmware into VW diesels. It was designed and ordered by VW engineers. Rust buckets Mazda of the past were from cheaper choice of steel at the supplier from Mazda. Honda blamed the suppliers for the horrible quality of the first Fit from Mexico. But they didn't check those before delivery ?
With the next gen Corolla coming from Mexico instead of Canada, I sure hope Toyota stands on the right foot on that matter.
Unfortunately, warranties are not just a matter of confidence but marketing. Manufacturers won't offer it unless they really need it for consumers perception. For instance, in Canada, Hyundai/Kia is doing very well and doesn't have 10/100000. It's 5 years total (vs 3 years total / 5 years drivetrain for others) but with a bunch of exceptions. To counter lowering canadian sales, Mazda now offer "unlimited mileage warranty"... with a bunch of obligations.
I for one - and I speak from experience - do care even about under warranty repairs. The service might be good and free but it still generates distrust (like in the reports mentioned above). In the end, they all wish that you'll by a new one before 10 years !
You're right about the scary cost of after-warranty repairs. Especially the cost of CVT, which was ridiculously high a few years ago. Now with millions of them on the roads, it's a bit more reasonnable. On eBay, you'll find rebuilded for Corolla for not much more than a good old rebuild 4AT. Not sure I'll trust them, though... and there is no such thing as the feeling of a new car. But at some point, you have to weight the cost of a new car VS repairs (or even feared repairs). But that's mostly me.
He could also have mentioned that this extended warranty was only to protect their ass from a specific problematic first batch of CVTs that are now fading away but leaving a reputation.
Mandatory statistics would be nice but then again, when manufacturers try to hide something, it comes back to bite them (GM's ignition switches, Toyota's sudden acceleration).
Sadly yes but there are still such things as engineering and quality control. For instance, Toyota-Aisin supply CVTs for Toyota and Subaru, but they sure aren't the same. Bosch didn't push cheating firmware into VW diesels. It was designed and ordered by VW engineers. Rust buckets Mazda of the past were from cheaper choice of steel at the supplier from Mazda. Honda blamed the suppliers for the horrible quality of the first Fit from Mexico. But they didn't check those before delivery ?
With the next gen Corolla coming from Mexico instead of Canada, I sure hope Toyota stands on the right foot on that matter.
Unfortunately, warranties are not just a matter of confidence but marketing. Manufacturers won't offer it unless they really need it for consumers perception. For instance, in Canada, Hyundai/Kia is doing very well and doesn't have 10/100000. It's 5 years total (vs 3 years total / 5 years drivetrain for others) but with a bunch of exceptions. To counter lowering canadian sales, Mazda now offer "unlimited mileage warranty"... with a bunch of obligations.
I for one - and I speak from experience - do care even about under warranty repairs. The service might be good and free but it still generates distrust (like in the reports mentioned above). In the end, they all wish that you'll by a new one before 10 years !
You're right about the scary cost of after-warranty repairs. Especially the cost of CVT, which was ridiculously high a few years ago. Now with millions of them on the roads, it's a bit more reasonnable. On eBay, you'll find rebuilded for Corolla for not much more than a good old rebuild 4AT. Not sure I'll trust them, though... and there is no such thing as the feeling of a new car. But at some point, you have to weight the cost of a new car VS repairs (or even feared repairs). But that's mostly me.
He could also have mentioned that this extended warranty was only to protect their ass from a specific problematic first batch of CVTs that are now fading away but leaving a reputation.
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Jolly you brought up several good points, but one in particular sticks out. When do you say the repair isn't worth it; time for another car. Here in Pennsylvania it is usually tin worm infestation instead of too much mileage that does them in. My rule is on a 5 year old car if the repair will be 50% of the book value (KBB private sale) make the repair and dump it. on a 10 year old car if the repair is 30% of what you can get, make the repair and dump it. Anything higher than those two figures Just let it go because there is always something else, and a mechanic will always buy it for personal use or resale. You won't get much but its time to move on
Never have I seen a previous gen corolla come into the shop with less than 50k miles and needing a new transmission.
I've had a previous gen corolla roll into the shop and needing a new cylinder head due to a air/fuel imbalance code though. There was a TSB for those.
No TSB for cvts failing in this corolla yet.
The previous gen camry also has torque converter shudder issues which required updating the tcm. Sometimes it would fix the shudder, however most of the time the torque converter would need replacing. There was also a TSB for that.
Toyota vehicles are generally very reliable, however every car manufacturer has their own problems.
Just because you can't find any info about CVTs in 2014+ Corollas failing early on and you aren't experiencing issues yourself doesn't mean it's safe to say that there's no such thing as a CVT failing in a Corolla.
I've had a previous gen corolla roll into the shop and needing a new cylinder head due to a air/fuel imbalance code though. There was a TSB for those.
No TSB for cvts failing in this corolla yet.
The previous gen camry also has torque converter shudder issues which required updating the tcm. Sometimes it would fix the shudder, however most of the time the torque converter would need replacing. There was also a TSB for that.
Toyota vehicles are generally very reliable, however every car manufacturer has their own problems.
Just because you can't find any info about CVTs in 2014+ Corollas failing early on and you aren't experiencing issues yourself doesn't mean it's safe to say that there's no such thing as a CVT failing in a Corolla.
I’ve had some funny things go on with my CVT and I’ve learned that its all about throttle control. I know exactly what your talking about when you say “slipping” but It mainly happens when you take a corner and don’t time the acceleration right by pressing to hard on the peddle but that’s all I got!
I've experienced three incidents with what might be the transmission over a 6 month period in my '14. All happened at low speeds, so I can't confirm if it is the CVT or not, but there's something that goes awry from time to time.
A couple things wrong with this post:
- The first time it happened, I was moving at around 20 mph when I experience a sudden jerk, as if the CVT had rapidly shifted into another "gear". The engine RPMs did not change very much, maybe within a brief increase of about 100. That only happened once.
- The second time, I was stopped at an intersection. I pressed the gas and for about 2 seconds, nothing happened except the engine revved as if you were in park. Then the car lurched forward as the transmission suddenly engaged. No other problems happened after that.
- The third incident happened last night. I was pulling into my garage and the car started to shudder as if the transmission was being engaged/disengaged in a rapid manner. Unfortunately, I was already in my garage, so I couldn't go forward any further. I stopped and put the car into reverse and the problem disappeared.
A couple things wrong with this post:
- Any type of oil will break down. There's no such thing as a "lifetime" oil. It exists in the same manner that all of the claims about perpetual motion machines exist on YouTube. The key is to know how many miles Toyota identifies as "lifetime". At some point, the fluid will need to be changed.
- CVTs do have high friction points. The areas of greatest wear come from the pulleys pushing on the belt, wear on the belt from being wedged in those pulleys, forces on the linkages in the belt (which can cause slipping), and greater wear from rapid "gear" changes.
If possible I would try to record it the next time it happens. Use it as evidence. Than take your car to the dealer and explain to them and show them. Even if they can't replicate it, at least it will be on file that you complained about it before. Just in case it does get worse in the future.
Powertrain warranty is 5yrs 60k miles so you should be covered if it does fail soon.
Powertrain warranty is 5yrs 60k miles so you should be covered if it does fail soon.
To be honest, I want to get a car with a stick anyway. I learned how to drive one after I purchased the car already.
Someone on another message board had a CVT fail in a 2015 Corolla right after the 100k mark a few months ago. The dealership quoted them $7k to fix it. An independent trans shop told them they could get a salvaged one for $2.3k. Neither answer is encouraging.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/3...6/1523618-my-cvt-broken-7k-quote-replace.html
Someone on another message board had a CVT fail in a 2015 Corolla right after the 100k mark a few months ago. The dealership quoted them $7k to fix it. An independent trans shop told them they could get a salvaged one for $2.3k. Neither answer is encouraging.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/3...6/1523618-my-cvt-broken-7k-quote-replace.html
There are a few odd parts to this story that doesn't make it representative of a "clean" CVT failing and replacement :
a) The discrepancy between the two quotes, none of them specifying why the CVT needed replacement.
b) The first replacement that didn't solve the problem...
c) The second replacement (!) that didn't solve the problem either until ECU and alternator were also replaced...
a) The discrepancy between the two quotes, none of them specifying why the CVT needed replacement.
b) The first replacement that didn't solve the problem...
c) The second replacement (!) that didn't solve the problem either until ECU and alternator were also replaced...
I'm currently facing this problem. So what basically happens is, when you are driving on a regular street with lights, meaning there is constant stopping, rolling and driving. eg: I'm driving at 25 mph, the light changes to red, I start to slow down and let go off the gas, I do not come to a full stop, and when I step on the gas peddle, the car gives me a jerk. (Feels like it missed a step)
It won't be that bad, year or two from now you'll be able to get it replaced for 2k easy. Maybe not at the dealer since they want to replace the whole cvt unit. I was reading about our K313 transmission and after many many many miles if you do notice some issues it can be overhauled for not that much. I've located few shops that are starting to advertise rebuilding CVT transmissions. Think about it they're in all subarus, corolla, most Hondas and Nissans. Transmission shops need to get with the program or they'll be out of business.
Correct me if I'm wrong but is what you're trying to say is that because 2 or 3 new gen Corolla's came in for a CVT replacement (which you don't know how they've been treated or maintained previously) out of the thousands that are on the road, the CVT in the Corolla's are now a problem? Just because you've never seen a previous Corolla come in for work with low mileage doesn't mean it is impossible for something like that to happen to such a car with low mileage. Did you ever think the car that you saw was maybe a lemon?
Close to 70K now (after 6 years, so not much every year) and still no issue with the car. How do you know your fluid is dark ? Don't extract too much as the exact level is important ! 