2014 Corolla - Orange Peel
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Like I've said numerous times I didn't think I'd have to at a new vehicle over with a fine tooth comb. Thought it would be blemish free since it was brand new. I also didn't have buyers remorse until I noticed the orange peel I was just going to make it look like the corolla I wanted and not worry about it and then I noticed orange peel and got me even more frustrated because of the fact it wasn't really the model corolla I wanted.
Which is why you don't give up and you pursue this matter of being defrauded and sold a brand new car that is not supposed to have defects!
With the defect in the paint of your car, if you were looking for a used car, would you pay top value for that car? Of course not, which is where you are losing money on the value of your car.
Is it worth it to pursue not being ripped off? Will it help you sleep at night better, or somehow make your life better, etc., to lose money? Maybe if you're independently wealthy and blow your nose with hundred dollar bills! If not, you need to stand up for yourself, your consumer rights and go after Toyota with both barrels blazing!
Get a lawyer!
With the defect in the paint of your car, if you were looking for a used car, would you pay top value for that car? Of course not, which is where you are losing money on the value of your car.
Is it worth it to pursue not being ripped off? Will it help you sleep at night better, or somehow make your life better, etc., to lose money? Maybe if you're independently wealthy and blow your nose with hundred dollar bills! If not, you need to stand up for yourself, your consumer rights and go after Toyota with both barrels blazing!
Get a lawyer!
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Certainly not the place to debate on the causes but nothing is perfect.
The fact is that Canada has slower growth, higher unemployment and much higher personal taxes than US.
So we gain almost empty head offices while our manufactures are moving to US, Mexico and even communist China...:wacko:
The fact is that Canada has slower growth, higher unemployment and much higher personal taxes than US.
So we gain almost empty head offices while our manufactures are moving to US, Mexico and even communist China...:wacko:
Fact is Canada has much lower corporate tax rates than the punishing corporate tax rates that were rammed through by the liberal/socialist/Democrats and it is encouraging many companies to relocate to Canada, which is helping their economy big time.
In the U.S., thanks to the tax-corporations-to-death policies of the liberal/socialist/Democrats, the exact reverse is happening and the economy is in a death spin.
I think I'm signing off of this thread. Too much hyperbole and opinions being expressed as facts. Although I think people are trying to help, there is too much pressure being put on the buyer to handle this in a certain way. I feel for you,new corollaowner, but you decide what is best for you, don't feel you need to "live up" to anyone else's ideas or expectations.
Someone sharing advice and help is not pressure, no more than someone encouraging the original poster to quit, roll over and die on this issue. If someone were independently wealthy and didn't care about thousands of dollars, that might be good advice. But most people aren't independently wealthy and losing thousands of dollars in value on their car is a very bid deal.
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Way to go. As consumers, we don't have much power except that one: voting with our money.:thumbdown:
I guess that's the lesson learned here : inspect, inspect, inspect ! :yes:
Not of any consolation to you, but take a close look at this shinny brand new Cadillac ATS... (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2015-cadillac-ats-coupe-first-drive/#photo-2819025/)
I guess that's the lesson learned here : inspect, inspect, inspect ! :yes:
Not of any consolation to you, but take a close look at this shinny brand new Cadillac ATS... (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2015-cadillac-ats-coupe-first-drive/#photo-2819025/)
I have been looking at this thread from the start and here is my opinion on the matter of the orange peel. It looks like the dealer you were trying to get help from isn't doing anything to satisfy you so don't keep fighting them. They deal with a lot of customers and they won't care if one customer is unhappy. I say just go to a different dealer and trade in your Corolla LE with a Corolla S that you wanted. After all, you did say that you think you chose the wrong trim.
There is no point in trying to get the first dealer to give you anything because it has been almost 2 months since you first tried getting any help from them. Just leave them and find someone else who will serve you. Yes, you may have lost a bit of value to your car by now but there is no way to turn that around.
So, your main options now are to keep your car and forget about the orange peel, fix the paint with a respray, or find a different dealer and trade in your Corolla for a different one. newcorollaowner,don't waste anymore time and decide on what your going to do. I have been scammed from a dealer too with my 2007 Corolla so I know what your going through. So just don't waste time otherwise the problem will get worse.
Good Luck.
There is no point in trying to get the first dealer to give you anything because it has been almost 2 months since you first tried getting any help from them. Just leave them and find someone else who will serve you. Yes, you may have lost a bit of value to your car by now but there is no way to turn that around.
So, your main options now are to keep your car and forget about the orange peel, fix the paint with a respray, or find a different dealer and trade in your Corolla for a different one. newcorollaowner,don't waste anymore time and decide on what your going to do. I have been scammed from a dealer too with my 2007 Corolla so I know what your going through. So just don't waste time otherwise the problem will get worse.
Good Luck.
I just read this post from beginning to end and first off, I have to read newcorollaowner's posts carefully due to the incorrect spelling, grammar, sentence structure, and punctuation. I too, thought you were a "youth" as someone else stated. But you are 35? That was not meant to be ugly. But you go from complaining about your paint to you buying a car you didn't want for a few post and then back to the paint issue. You just need to hope your dealer or Toyota don't read your post if you expect some kind of resolution.
I have a 2014 red S Plus and it has orange peel in it also. It is more visible in the sides of the car. It is probably all over, but more visible there because of the angle. I thought it was just normal. I bought it in January and have over 31,300 miles on it. It is probably too late for me to complain.
I do wish you luck.
I have a 2014 red S Plus and it has orange peel in it also. It is more visible in the sides of the car. It is probably all over, but more visible there because of the angle. I thought it was just normal. I bought it in January and have over 31,300 miles on it. It is probably too late for me to complain.
I do wish you luck.
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If I misspelled words or didn't you proper grammar or anything what's the difference? Are you an expert or something yourself? No I'm sure I don't go bashing people for anything and don't appreciate you or anyone else doing it to me or anyone else. And that doesn't have anything to do with the issue with the paint on my car! And like I've said I wasn't worried about the trim of the car but after noticing the orange peel made it worse since it wasn't the trim level I wanted you and others make it seem like I'm stupid and ignorant and don't anything but y'all no it all. Not trying to be ugly either just how I feel.
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Great example. Go back and read your last post. Maybe you will see what I mean. If you are going to communicate with people like your dealership, attorneys, BBB, or even Toyota, you may need to proof read your communications if you are writing to them. If not, they probably won't take you seriously.
Again, it was not my intention to bash you, I am just trying to bring this to your attention.
Again, it was not my intention to bash you, I am just trying to bring this to your attention.
Used underlines since the forum doesn't have a strike-thru.
As Corolla Cop, said - it's an internet forum - I don't really care about grammar that much here - but if you are dealing with attorneys and correspondence with dealerships it does reflect on you and influence their opinion of you and how likely they are to take you seriously.
As Corolla Cop, said - it's an internet forum - I don't really care about grammar that much here - but if you are dealing with attorneys and correspondence with dealerships it does reflect on you and influence their opinion of you and how likely they are to take you seriously.
So what if I misspelled words or not or don't you proper grammar or proper sentence structure? Y'all aren't grammar teacher or experts either plus that doesn't have anything to do with the issue with my car I'm just going to delete my account here when I get home in the morning don't need this! Hope y'all have a blessed life!
How do you know that I'm not a grammar teacher? :smartass:
There's 37 pages of helpful advice in the thread (some of which you have taken) - including replies 363 and 366.
If you don't want to use proper grammar in the forum - that is your choice (or not), but it makes it harder to help you. If you don't want to use proper grammar in official correspondence with the dealer and lawyers, you are hurting your chances for a favorable resolution - it would be in your best interest to at least have someone else proofread your official letters to them.
There's 37 pages of helpful advice in the thread (some of which you have taken) - including replies 363 and 366.
If you don't want to use proper grammar in the forum - that is your choice (or not), but it makes it harder to help you. If you don't want to use proper grammar in official correspondence with the dealer and lawyers, you are hurting your chances for a favorable resolution - it would be in your best interest to at least have someone else proofread your official letters to them.
Absolutely correct. The darker the color, the more noticeable. Not just Toyota, its everybody. A new Nissan Rogue in the parking lot at work really has it, dark brown. This stuff about lowering the resale by thousands of dollars isn't true, IMO. Since all cars have it, and the dealers know it, I really doubt they're going to care. Mine has some, I just accept it as the way cars are, and it doesn't hurt anything.
As far as EPA goes, I'm going to be the contrarian, and say I'll trade a little orange peel on my car for cleaner air.
As far as EPA goes, I'm going to be the contrarian, and say I'll trade a little orange peel on my car for cleaner air.
I have seen many Toyota's and other brands of vehicles that don't have orange peel in the paint. If I were buying a used car and I had a choice between a car that had orange peel in the paint and one that didn't, I'd purchase the one that didn't have the orange peel of course. This means the car with orange peel in the paint isn't worth as much money as the one that doesn't have orange peel in the paint.
For me personally, it wouldn't even be a factor in the decision. Chances are very very high, that if you are looking at two late-model used cars, they're both going to have it anyway. Even setting aside things which are much more important, such as mileage, tire condition, etc., things like which car has an easier to maintain paint color, paint chips, door dings, or even swirl marks, would matter much more.
If I liked the car and it had orange peel, it wouldn't deter me from buying it (unless it had been repainted). Orange peel is a fact of life.
If I liked the car and it had orange peel, it wouldn't deter me from buying it (unless it had been repainted). Orange peel is a fact of life.
I saw a commercial yesterday for Kia's big minivan, not sure of the model name, Sedona maybe. Looked like a very nice vehicle, black. The closing shot was of the back of the vehicle. Could see the orange peel in the paint. Made me think hey I've got a pretty good TV,this thread, and that kia must not be too worried about it if they have it visible in the commercial.
I took my S Plus to the dealer yesterday for service and while I was there, I thought I would do some investigating on my own. I looked at the other Corollas, Tundras, Tacoma's, Camry's, Prius' and varying colors from white to black and everything in between and all of them have orange peel. So it sounds to me like the OP is just out of luck. They all have it, at least the ones I looked at did.
And all of them were 2015's.
And all of them were 2015's.
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It isn't okay, but the car manufacturers are powerless. The EPA demanded that they switched to water-based paint to lower volatile emissions. Orange peel is going to be the price we all pay for cleaner air. Just how it is.
If you want a car without it, you'll have to get a car from a country that doesn't have that restriction.
If you want a car without it, you'll have to get a car from a country that doesn't have that restriction.
As mentioned by numerous people orange peel and softer paint is an inevitable side effect of current environmental regulations. The companies do not have a say in the matter, so I would not call it a manufacturing defect but simply an unavoidable consequence. Some cars are more noticeable than others, but I think that is largely a matter of the darkness of the color.
I personally don't mind some sacrifices for a cleaner environment. If you do, then what really is defective (for you) is not the paint job but the regulation. For me orange peel is a minor cosmetic matter of little consequence and does not diminish the vehicle. I would prefer that the paint were a little more chip and scratch resistant, but again I don't consider that a defect, unless it is coming off in chunks as some do.
The way you feel about orange peel is much how I feel about our gasoline, at least in this state. It contains 10% ethanol, delivers a lot more than the claimed 2.5% drop in MPG, and is more expensive than it would be if it had no ethanol. Its necessitated by law (and I do consider the law defective since it accomplishes neither the lower air pollution or lower foreign oil dependence), but I don't put the blame on Exxon or Shell. (I do put the blame on big oil for a lot of other things tho,and maybe for this a little too since they likely pushed for it since we now get less miles per unit of gsoline) The law was lobbied hard for and greatly benefits big agriculture such as ADM, but that's about all who benefits and besides using something that could be food source as an un-needed fuel additive is just wrong. The gas is lower quality, but not "defective";its mandated by a defective law.
I personally don't mind some sacrifices for a cleaner environment. If you do, then what really is defective (for you) is not the paint job but the regulation. For me orange peel is a minor cosmetic matter of little consequence and does not diminish the vehicle. I would prefer that the paint were a little more chip and scratch resistant, but again I don't consider that a defect, unless it is coming off in chunks as some do.
The way you feel about orange peel is much how I feel about our gasoline, at least in this state. It contains 10% ethanol, delivers a lot more than the claimed 2.5% drop in MPG, and is more expensive than it would be if it had no ethanol. Its necessitated by law (and I do consider the law defective since it accomplishes neither the lower air pollution or lower foreign oil dependence), but I don't put the blame on Exxon or Shell. (I do put the blame on big oil for a lot of other things tho,and maybe for this a little too since they likely pushed for it since we now get less miles per unit of gsoline) The law was lobbied hard for and greatly benefits big agriculture such as ADM, but that's about all who benefits and besides using something that could be food source as an un-needed fuel additive is just wrong. The gas is lower quality, but not "defective";its mandated by a defective law.
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You are correct about the relative price, at least currently. At various times, the "rack price" per gallon of ethanol has been higher than that of pure unleaded gas, but that is not true now. Ethanol got very expensive when the regs requiring it were initially quickly expanding, but ethanol production has now increased to the point that there is not a shortage and its price has fallen dramatically. There have been and I believe still are tax incentives and regulatory costs that also have an effect on the relative prices.
I still think its a "defective" law that requires ethanol in gasoline - my opinion.
I still think its a "defective" law that requires ethanol in gasoline - my opinion.
http://www.ibtimes.com/ethanol-prices-soar-above-gasolines-first-time-two-years-1563423
Above link is about ethanol prices compared to gasoline prices in April of this year, so apparently we may be headed back to where ethanol actually again drives up the price. Probably more info than anybody really cares about, but its a pet peeve of mine - I don't want my gasoline "enriched" with ethanol but don't have a choice now.
Above link is about ethanol prices compared to gasoline prices in April of this year, so apparently we may be headed back to where ethanol actually again drives up the price. Probably more info than anybody really cares about, but its a pet peeve of mine - I don't want my gasoline "enriched" with ethanol but don't have a choice now.
With the massive Republican landslide in the election a few days ago, I think we are going to have a turn back to freedom and one of those freedoms will be the repeal of the intrusive/socialist/big government mandate of having our fuel contaminated with ethanol! Not burning our corn anymore, this will also have a distinct affect of lowering our food prices at the grocery store too. :thumbsup: The resulting 10% fuel economy increase will also save motorists a ton of money! :yes: "Happy days are here again...." :whistling2: :thumbup::thumbup1::clap:
The resulting 10% fuel economy increase will also save motorists a ton of money! :yes: "Happy days are here again...." :whistling2: :thumbup::thumbup1::clap:
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With the massive Republican landslide in the election a few days ago, I think we are going to have a turn back to freedom and one of those freedoms will be the repeal of the intrusive/socialist/big government mandate of having our fuel contaminated with ethanol! Not burning our corn anymore, this will also have a distinct affect of lowering our food prices at the grocery store too. :thumbsup: The resulting 10% fuel economy increase will also save motorists a ton of money! :yes: "Happy days are here again...." :whistling2: :thumbup::thumbup1::clap:
The resulting 10% fuel economy increase will also save motorists a ton of money! :yes: "Happy days are here again...." :whistling2: :thumbup::thumbup1::clap:
Good idea and they might even listen!
But mostly because lobbies have now shifted.
With higher oil cost, cutting it with whatever allowed for higher profits (plus a somewhat, albeit dubious, greener and patriotic image).
With lower cost, it’s a burden as you can boost profit by just not transferring all of the savings to the consumer.
We just get used to higher prices.
In Canada, a few years ago, the symbolic (for us) $1.00 a liter ($3.34 US gallon) was a social trauma. Now some are raving about the “new low price” of $1.39 ($4.37 US gallon).
Expect food prices to follow the same path.
Still, “real” gas for our “real” money would be great !
But mostly because lobbies have now shifted.
With higher oil cost, cutting it with whatever allowed for higher profits (plus a somewhat, albeit dubious, greener and patriotic image).
With lower cost, it’s a burden as you can boost profit by just not transferring all of the savings to the consumer.
We just get used to higher prices.
In Canada, a few years ago, the symbolic (for us) $1.00 a liter ($3.34 US gallon) was a social trauma. Now some are raving about the “new low price” of $1.39 ($4.37 US gallon).
Expect food prices to follow the same path.
Still, “real” gas for our “real” money would be great !
With the massive Republican landslide in the election a few days ago, I think we are going to have a turn back to freedom and one of those freedoms will be the repeal of the intrusive/socialist/big government mandate of having our fuel contaminated with ethanol! Not burning our corn anymore, this will also have a distinct affect of lowering our food prices at the grocery store too. :thumbsup: The resulting 10% fuel economy increase will also save motorists a ton of money! :yes: "Happy days are here again...." :whistling2: :thumbup::thumbup1::clap:
The resulting 10% fuel economy increase will also save motorists a ton of money! :yes: "Happy days are here again...." :whistling2: :thumbup::thumbup1::clap:
Ethanol is a disaster : less efficient cars, more petrol consumption for fertilizer production, more land to produce "car food" and less for human consumption, thus higher price at the grocery store... Obama is culprit of going on with implementation, despite all red alert lights from the beginning, including the EPA. But lobbies are often stronger and let's not forget who they convinced first to sign the law :
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