Newbie here looking for help

#1
OK so I have a 2017 6 SPD corolla. And I'm looking to do some engine upgrades...I don't really know where to start off at so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be a big help

I've heard to start with the manifold or exhaust system. So could someone recommend some manifold parts please?
 
#3
OK....guess I'll give up on this idea or goto a different forum. Thanks for the non help
Give it time. This is a slow forum these days. Everyone went to the Facebook groups.
Intake and exhaust are a good place to start. Just know that nothing is going to be dramatic with these cars. Best mod for the money is a Pedal Commander.
Exhaust: Borla, TRD are the most popular.
Intake: injen, HPS, K&N, Takida, AEM, Weapon R
 
#5
Unfortunately, after market intakes and exhausts will do nothing for your car other than make it look cool and sound loud. It may even change the performance of your car for the worse. Any modification to your engine or exhaust requires professional dyno tuning to get optimum performance to your upgrade. Even then you may not see significant improvement, so it's all just a waste of money. You might want to consider changing your air filter to AEM dry flow filter which may provide a little improvement.
 

ZeCorolla

I Love Corolla's!
#6
Unfortunately, after market intakes and exhausts will do nothing for your car other than make it look cool and sound loud. It may even change the performance of your car for the worse. Any modification to your engine or exhaust requires professional dyno tuning to get optimum performance to your upgrade. Even then you may not see significant improvement, so it's all just a waste of money. You might want to consider changing your air filter to AEM dry flow filter which may provide a little improvement.
No, as said many times before, this theory greatly depends on what car these modifications are done to. The factory intake and exhaust on the Corolla are greatly restrictive so installing a freer flowing intake and exhaust will free up some horsepower. Will this be a tot of horsepower right out the door, no. However, there will be a gain in power and with a tune, that gain can be increased. You will not lose power however by doing this on a Corolla. If you were to replace a car with a performance designed intake or exhaust with a poor quality aftermarket part, then you will lose power. A good example is replacing the intake on a S2000 as the stock intake in that car is already well made performance wise from the factory. As for this being a waste of money, that's all up to the owner to decide.
 
#7
No, as said many times before, this theory greatly depends on what car these modifications are done to. The factory intake and exhaust on the Corolla are greatly restrictive so installing a freer flowing intake and exhaust will free up some horsepower. Will this be a tot of horsepower right out the door, no. However, there will be a gain in power and with a tune, that gain can be increased. You will not lose power however by doing this on a Corolla. If you were to replace a car with a performance designed intake or exhaust with a poor quality aftermarket part, then you will lose power. A good example is replacing the intake on a S2000 as the stock intake in that car is already well made performance wise from the factory. As for this being a waste of money, that's all up to the owner to decide.
I think you’ve been hanging around rice groups too much. LOL! What you call “restrictive” are actually designed to optimize engine performance because that’s how manufacturers designed it. Your theory might be true for carburetors. It’s different with computer controlled fuel injected engines. Even if you dyno tune your engine (which no one does) after installing those aftermarket products, the improvements you’ll see is so miniscule for a 1.8 liter engine. You want to see improvement on performance, change to a bigger engine or turbo charge it. I made rice out of my Civic using quality expensive brands. I just wasn’t happy due to loss of torque, power, and response. I had to hit the gas pedal hard to compensate. It sounded cool though! The AEM intake was the first to go, and I saw improved performance right away. Wished I could have taken off the exhaust, but it was welded in. I got rid of my Civic after 300k.

Take some time to view the videos of this annoying guy. LOL. He a makes lot of sense! There’s a lot of similar vids in YouTube, but I find this guy thorough and entertaining.


 

ZeCorolla

I Love Corolla's!
#8
I think you’ve been hanging around rice groups too much. LOL! What you call “restrictive” are actually designed to optimize engine performance because that’s how manufacturers designed it. Your theory might be true for carburetors. It’s different with computer controlled fuel injected engines. Even if you dyno tune your engine (which no one does) after installing those aftermarket products, the improvements you’ll see is so miniscule for a 1.8 liter engine. You want to see improvement on performance, change to a bigger engine or turbo charge it. I made rice out of my Civic using quality expensive brands. I just wasn’t happy due to loss of torque, power, and response. I had to hit the gas pedal hard to compensate. It sounded cool though! The AEM intake was the first to go, and I saw improved performance right away. Wished I could have taken off the exhaust, but it was welded in. I got rid of my Civic after 300k.

Take some time to view the videos of this annoying guy. LOL. He a makes lot of sense! There’s a lot of similar vids in YouTube, but I find this guy thorough and entertaining.


Ah a Scotty Kilmer fan. Explains a lot.

Anyways, when you say that the manufacturer added in the restrictions to optimize the engine performance, that's not all that true; at least in this case. A Corolla is an economy car so obviously the engine was built to be as efficient as possible. This means that there were restrictions put in to some of the engine components to reduce power and fuel consumption. Therefore, getting rid of these restrictions will increase power somewhere (I'll add to this in a bit). Just like I said, simply installing an intake or exhaust won't give you all of it's performance benefits right away as the computer will compensate for these parts but there is a limit to what a computer can do with an aftermarket part. Also, these aftermarket parts, if designed well, will be able to show their benefits even with the computer trying to correct it. Now, doing these mods to a car with an already well designed intake and exhaust system may not show as much of a benefit and may even make you lose some power. In this case, an intake and exhaust may not seem beneficial however, a Corolla does not have a performance designed intake and exhaust from the factory.

Now, even when you have a performance intake and exhaust system with a proper computer tune, you still shouldn't be expecting 50+ horsepower from just these mods alone. In fact, most modifications to a car don't just give you a huge amount of power just like that (at least when modding a naturally aspirated engine). If one is looking to get a great amount of horsepower, then you'd have to do much more than just replacing the intake and exhaust. My point is that these mods do give an increase in power but doing these alone won't give you a ton of power right away. Someone with a 10th gen Corolla has dynoed their car after just installing a short ram intake, exhaust, and headers and they made about 10-15whp if I remember correctly. This was without a tune and from just those aftermarket parts alone, that is a good amount of gain and disproves those saying you'll lose power with those mods. Going back to the increase in power, an intake and exhaust will give you an increase in power but at a certain power range. For instance, cold air intakes may lower a car's lower end power and add a lot more to the higher end. Again, you need to understand how these systems work and have a realistic mindset on how much you can gain from these instead of just complaining that an intake doesn't give you a 100 hp right away.

Regarding your Civic, did you just install those parts and expect your car to beat a sports car just like that? Did you ever clean your intake to make sure it wasn't filled with dirt which made you lose power? Did you even have a 1.8L in that car or was it a 1.6L? Either way, you've got some wrong facts in your head and it's probably from the fact that you're Civic lost power due to your negligence of modifying your car. And I don't need to hang around any "rice groups" as I always do my own research and come to my own conclusions. I don't have to link another person's video to prove my point.
 
#9
Ah a Scotty Kilmer fan. Explains a lot.

Anyways, when you say that the manufacturer added in the restrictions to optimize the engine performance, that's not all that true; at least in this case. A Corolla is an economy car so obviously the engine was built to be as efficient as possible. This means that there were restrictions put in to some of the engine components to reduce power and fuel consumption. Therefore, getting rid of these restrictions will increase power somewhere (I'll add to this in a bit). Just like I said, simply installing an intake or exhaust won't give you all of it's performance benefits right away as the computer will compensate for these parts but there is a limit to what a computer can do with an aftermarket part. Also, these aftermarket parts, if designed well, will be able to show their benefits even with the computer trying to correct it. Now, doing these mods to a car with an already well designed intake and exhaust system may not show as much of a benefit and may even make you lose some power. In this case, an intake and exhaust may not seem beneficial however, a Corolla does not have a performance designed intake and exhaust from the factory.

Now, even when you have a performance intake and exhaust system with a proper computer tune, you still shouldn't be expecting 50+ horsepower from just these mods alone. In fact, most modifications to a car don't just give you a huge amount of power just like that (at least when modding a naturally aspirated engine). If one is looking to get a great amount of horsepower, then you'd have to do much more than just replacing the intake and exhaust. My point is that these mods do give an increase in power but doing these alone won't give you a ton of power right away. Someone with a 10th gen Corolla has dynoed their car after just installing a short ram intake, exhaust, and headers and they made about 10-15whp if I remember correctly. This was without a tune and from just those aftermarket parts alone, that is a good amount of gain and disproves those saying you'll lose power with those mods. Going back to the increase in power, an intake and exhaust will give you an increase in power but at a certain power range. For instance, cold air intakes may lower a car's lower end power and add a lot more to the higher end. Again, you need to understand how these systems work and have a realistic mindset on how much you can gain from these instead of just complaining that an intake doesn't give you a 100 hp right away.

Regarding your Civic, did you just install those parts and expect your car to beat a sports car just like that? Did you ever clean your intake to make sure it wasn't filled with dirt which made you lose power? Did you even have a 1.8L in that car or was it a 1.6L? Either way, you've got some wrong facts in your head and it's probably from the fact that you're Civic lost power due to your negligence of modifying your car. And I don't need to hang around any "rice groups" as I always do my own research and come to my own conclusions. I don't have to link another person's video to prove my point.
Dude you are hilarious! Scotty makes a hell of a lot more sense than your bogus theory. LMAO!!
 
#11
Also depends on what you want to do with your car :
Excellent video. Jump to the last 40 seconds if you don't want to waste time watching the whole thing. CAI's are usually good for high RPM. It's a Toyota Corolla. People buy it for daily driving for its fuel efficiency and reliability, not for the track.
 

ZeCorolla

I Love Corolla's!
#12
Excellent video. Jump to the last 40 seconds if you don't want to waste time watching the whole thing. CAI's are usually good for high RPM. It's a Toyota Corolla. People buy it for daily driving for its fuel efficiency and reliability, not for the track.
Soooo you just restated what I've previously said....

"For instance, cold air intakes may lower a car's lower end power and add a lot more to the higher end."

Seems like reading isn't your cup of tea. Anyways, what someone wants to do with their car is up to them to choose, not for you to judge. If someone wants to track their Corolla, then so be it. How does what someone else wants to do to their car affect you personally? Again the point of my argument is to prove that these mods aren't a waste and do not decrease horsepower, not that the general public races their cars.
 
#13
Soooo you just restated what I've previously said....

"For instance, cold air intakes may lower a car's lower end power and add a lot more to the higher end."

Seems like reading isn't your cup of tea. Anyways, what someone wants to do with their car is up to them to choose, not for you to judge. If someone wants to track their Corolla, then so be it. How does what someone else wants to do to their car affect you personally? Again the point of my argument is to prove that these mods aren't a waste and do not decrease horsepower, not that the general public races their cars.
And you missed the part where I said...

"I just wasn’t happy due to loss of torque, power, and response. I had to hit the gas pedal hard to compensate."

It seems common sense isn’t your cup of tea because you think spending money on mods that has little or no improvement is still worth it even though your car is still as slow as a TRD’le. LOL! In addition, your car probably sounds annoying with that little engine trying to sound loud, is no longer street legal, and fails smog test. It's only a Toyota Corolla! With all the money you’re putting in it, you might as well buy a fast car! I don’t care what you or other people do. My recommendation is for those who wants to be more practical.
 

ZeCorolla

I Love Corolla's!
#14
And you missed the part where I said...

"I just wasn’t happy due to loss of torque, power, and response. I had to hit the gas pedal hard to compensate."

It seems common sense isn’t your cup of tea because you think spending money on mods that has little or no improvement is still worth it even though your car is still as slow as a TRD’le. LOL! In addition, your car probably sounds annoying with that little engine trying to sound loud, is no longer street legal, and fails smog test. It's only a Toyota Corolla! With all the money you’re putting in it, you might as well buy a fast car! I don’t care what you or other people do. My recommendation is for those who wants to be more practical.
Are you even reading what I'm saying at this point? Where did I say that I cared about what you think about the CAI. I was stating the fact that I've already said the CAI will gain power in the higher rpm-band and not so much in the lower rpms. And again, was this done in a dinky little 1.5L Civic? It's obvious you do care so much about what other people do to their cars since you think spending money on mods on a Corolla is a waste. That alone is up to the owner to decide for their own car, not for you if you claim not to care about what others do to their cars. Arguing with someone like you with a pea brain is no use. Continue believing in what you think is right and move on.
 
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